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Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Yatsen Holding Limited Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Irene Lyu, Vice President, Head of Strategic Investment and Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Irene Lyu: Thank you, operator. Please note that discussion today will contain forward-looking statements relating to the company's future performance, and our intent to qualify for the safe harbor and liability as established by The U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Such statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors. Some of these risks are beyond the company's control and could cause actual results to differ materially from those mentioned in today's press release and this discussion. A general discussion of the risk factors that could affect Yatsen Holding Limited's business and financial results is included in certain filings of the company with the Securities Exchange Commission. The company does not undertake any obligation to update its forward-looking information except as required by law. During today's call, management will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures for comparison purposes. Please see the earnings release issued earlier today for a definition of non-GAAP financial measures and a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial results. Joining us today on the call from Yatsen Holding Limited's senior management are Mr. Jinfeng Huang, our Founder, Chairman, and CEO, and Mr. Donghao Yang, our CFO and Director. Management will begin with their prepared remarks, and the call will conclude with a Q&A session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. In addition, a webcast replay of this conference call will be available on Yatsen Holding Limited's Investor Relations website at ir.yatsenglobal.com. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Jinfeng Huang. Please go ahead, sir. Jinfeng Huang: Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining our third quarter 2025 earnings call. The beauty market in China continues to show signs of recovery in the third quarter, particularly in the skincare category, which remained robust and supported overall industry growth. Amid this improving backdrop, we remain focused on executing our long-term strategy to build a competitive, resilient brand portfolio anchored in R&D and innovation. Through disciplined execution, we delivered our fourth consecutive quarter of revenue growth, with total net revenues increasing by 47.5% year over year and exceeding the high end of our guidance. Our momentum continues to be driven by strong growth from skincare and sustained performance of our hero product engine, rather than short-term promotions. Our skincare brands grew by 83.2% year over year and reached 49.2% of total revenue, making another step forward in our category upgrade strategy and reinforcing our transformation toward a more sustainable, margin-accretive portfolio. Meanwhile, our net loss narrowed meaningfully as a result of the improved gross margin, optimized operating efficiency, and a more disciplined resource allocation. Net loss margin improved significantly from 17.9% in the prior year period to 7% this quarter, demonstrating the continued progress in our profitability trajectory. These results reflect the strength of our brand as well as our commitment to distinct execution. Looking ahead, our priority is to continue progressing toward profitability in a disciplined and sustainable way. We expect further improvement to be driven by a higher skincare mix, ongoing gross margin optimization, and greater marketing efficiency. While we will continue to invest in innovation and hero products, we remain disciplined in balancing growth with profitability. Now let me share some brand and product highlights during this quarter. Galani delivered strong momentum and remained one of the fastest-growing premium skincare brands. The brand's PO series continued to perform well, with the number one VC Serum and the number two AVA serums ranking among the top-selling serums across major e-commerce platforms. The newly introduced number three VB7, launched in mid-September to further build up the brand's ABC cellular level skincare framework, quickly became one of the brand's best-selling items on Douyin. We are also seeing encouraging signs of regimen adoption, with more consumers purchasing multiple products within the series, supporting stronger customer lifetime value. Doctor Wu recorded healthy growth during the quarter, supported by strong performance from its core categories. In September, Doctor Wu unveiled its first anti-aging product in the UK, leveraging decades of clinical expertise in skin renewal. The newly launched TDI N Serum gained strong traction across e-commerce platforms, driven by its innovative formula featuring a high concentration of active ingredients and a patent penetration technology, underscoring the brand's ability to build trust through clinically validated innovation. In China, Doctor Wu continued to lead the mandelic acid category across online platforms. In addition, Doctor Wu presented its research at the ninth Annual Academic Conferences of the Dermatology Committee of the Chinese Non-Government Medical Institution Association, further demonstrating the brand's commitment to clinically grounded innovation and strengthening its leadership in renewal-focused skincare. Our flagship brand, Fabulare, also continued to make progress following the successful launch of the Translucent Blurring Setting Powder and BioPhase Essence Foundation. The brand focused on streamlining its core product assortment, improving hero product quality, and enhancing overall product experience under the makeup unification concept. Several of these hero products delivered performance above expectations, driving Perfect Diary's base makeup category to exceed 40% of the total sales and supporting a more sustainable and distinct recovery. In the third quarter, COVID-19 also excelled in new channel performance and achieved the number one ranking among makeup brands on WeChat video channel, reflecting the brand's strengthened competitiveness and growing consumer IND and innovation have consistently served as the cornerstone of our product development and brand building. We are committed to advancing scientific research to strengthen our long-term competitiveness. During the quarter, we participated in the IFCC Congress for the fourth consecutive year. This time, 11 of our papers were shortlisted by the IFCC, covering topics from molecular mechanism, clinical translation to AI algorithm, and emotion skincare. This work highlights our full chain capabilities, from fundamental science to technology translation and clinical validation, and it directly supports future hero highlights across our brands. As we finish the third quarter, we are pleased to see continued progress in both growth and operational improvement. We remain confident that our strategic focus on R&D, together with disciplined execution and a sharper resource allocation, will enable us to deliver sustainable long-term growth. At the same time, we will remain highly disciplined in capital allocation, prioritizing investments that strengthen our core brands and innovation capabilities while creating long-term value for shareholders. Thank you. I will now turn the call to Donghao Yang. Donghao Yang: Thank you, Jinfeng, and hello, everyone. Before I get started, I would like to clarify that all financial numbers presented today are in RMB amounts, and all percentage changes refer to year-over-year changes unless otherwise noted. Total net revenues for the 2025 increased by 47.5% to RMB 998.4 million from RMB 677 million for the prior year period. The increase was primarily due to an 83.2% year-over-year increase in net revenues from skincare brands combined with a 25.2% year-over-year increase in revenues from color cosmetics brands. Gross profit for the 2025 increased by 51.9% to RMB 780.5 million from RMB 513.8 million for the prior year period. Gross margin for the 2025 increased to 78.2% from 75.9% for the prior year period. The increase was primarily driven by an increase in sales of higher gross margin products. Total operating expenses for the 2025 increased by 31.9% to RMB 864.1 million from RMB 655.2 million for the prior year period. As a percentage of total net revenues, total operating expenses for the 2025 were 86.5% as compared with 96.8% for the prior year period. Fulfillment expenses for the 2025 were RMB 61.8 million as compared with RMB 50.4 million for the prior year period. As a percentage of total net revenues, fulfillment expenses for the 2025 decreased to 6.2% from 7% for the prior year period. The decrease was primarily driven by fulfillment costs optimization coupled with the leveraging effect of higher total net revenues in the 2025. Selling and marketing expenses for the 2025 were RMB 682.3 million as compared with RMB 494.4 million for the prior year period. As a percentage of total net revenues, selling and marketing expenses for the 2025 decreased to 68.3% from 73% for the prior year period. The third quarter included a portion of our planned upfront investments for the Double Eleven shopping season. These investments typically elevate selling and marketing ratios in the short term but support revenue acceleration and stronger brand equity in the fourth quarter and beyond. Excluding these seasonal effects, we continue to see improving marketing efficiency driven by a higher skincare mix and more disciplined spending across channels. General and administrative expenses for the 2025 were RMB 80.2 million as compared with RMB 85 million for the prior year period. As a percentage of total net revenues, general and administrative expenses for the 2025 decreased to 8% from 12.6% for the prior year period. The decrease was primarily driven by lower share-based compensation expenses coupled with the deleveraging effect of higher total net revenues in the 2025. Research and development expenses for the 2025 were RMB 39.8 million as compared with RMB 25 million for the prior year period. As a percentage of total net revenues, research and development expenses for the 2025 increased to 4% from 3.7% for the prior year period. The increase was primarily driven by higher payroll expenses resulting from a rise in research and development headcount. Loss from operations for the 2025 was RMB 83 million as compared with RMB 141.3 million for the prior year period. Operating loss margin was 8.4% as compared with 20.9% for the prior year period. Non-GAAP loss from operations for the 2025 was RMB 60.6 million as compared with RMB 98.5 million for the prior year period. Non-GAAP operating loss margin was 6.1%, as compared with 14.5% for the prior year period. Net loss for the 2025 was RMB 70.4 million as compared with RMB 121.1 million for the prior year period. Net loss margin was 7%, as compared with 17.9% for the prior year period. Net loss attributable to Yatsen Holding Limited's ordinary shareholders per diluted ADS for the 2025 was RMB 0.7 as compared with RMB 2.2 for the prior year period. Non-GAAP net loss for the 2025 was RMB 51.5 million as compared with RMB 76 million for the prior year period. Non-GAAP net loss margin was 5.2% as compared with 11.3% for the prior year period. Non-GAAP net loss attributable to Yatsen Holding Limited's ordinary shareholders per diluted ADS for the 2025 was RMB 0.5 as compared with RMB 0.77 for the prior year period. As of September 30, 2025, the company had cash, restricted cash, and short-term investments of RMB 1.1 billion as compared with RMB 1 billion as of December 31, 2024. Net cash used in operating activities for the 2025 was RMB 126.8 million as compared with RMB 175.9 million for the prior year period. The operating cash flow was primarily due to working capital movement, including inventory positioning and receivables timing ahead of Double Eleven. These are seasonal and planned effects. We expect operating cash flow to improve as these improved investments convert into revenue in the fourth quarter and as we continue to optimize inventory efficiency and marketing ROI. Looking at our business outlook for the 2025, we expect our total net revenues to be between RMB 1.32 billion and RMB 1.49 billion, representing a year-over-year increase of approximately 15% to 30%. These forecasts reflect our current and preliminary views on the market and operational conditions, which are subject to change. With that, I would now like to open the call to Q&A. Operator, Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, begin the question session. And if you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. For the benefit of all participants on today's call, if you wish to ask your question, please immediately repeat your question in English. And our first question will come from Maggie Huang with CICC. Please go ahead. Maggie Huang: Thank you for taking my question. This is Maggie Huang from CICC. Firstly, congratulations on beating our revenue guidance. I have two questions. My first question is about our performance during the Double Eleven festival. Is that in line with our expectations? And have we observed any change in the competition from foreign high-end brands? And my second question is, how do we expect the profitability of the fourth quarter and the next year? That's my questions. Thank you. Donghao Yang: Well, I think first of all, the Double Eleven performance for the whole company in general is in line with our expectations. And of course, some of the brands are exceeding our expectations. So having said that, I think we are very happy to observe some of not only the existing hero SKUs are doing well, but some of the newly launched products have gained very strong momentum during the Double Eleven Shopping Festival, which will contribute to further growth potentials in coming quarters. Those products we already mentioned in the earnings call. Going back to your question about the challenges and also competition coming from the foreign high-end brands, we did observe a very big challenge and also competition. For the past Double Eleven Shopping Festival, some of the high-end brands are struggling with very big O2O price up the hero product. We did see that with our R&D supporting some of our new product launches, those products are still gaining very strong momentum. Looking forward, I think the competition during the Double Eleven Shopping Festival will load some of the pantry for some of the foreign high-end brands, which means it will hurt their long-term growth. So having said that, I'm happy to see that our high-end brands are still keeping a very strong momentum by balancing the price promotion. And also, we are focusing on promoting some of the new SKUs. So going back to the Q4, I think we are on the right track to reach profitability. And that's our long-term goal. And then we are seeing the balance of growth and also the right track for profitability. Maggie Huang: Okay, got it. It's very clear. Thank you very much. And I have no more questions. Donghao Yang: Thank you. Operator: Next question will come from Lucia Zhang with CP Securities. Please go ahead. Lucia Zhang: Thank you for taking my question. This is Lucia Zhang from CP Securities. I also have two questions. The first one is we can see that the skincare business of the company has achieved rapid growth this year. So from which efforts should we make efforts to sustain the growth maybe in the last quarter and next year? And the second question is about profitability. So in which aspects will the company make efforts to continuously improve their profitability? Thank you. Jinfeng Huang: Well, so going back to the fundamental drivers for our skincare business, I think the number one thing is about the R&D. The beauty market has always been driven by further and better innovation. So we are very happy to see that, yeah, with our R&D growth engine, we can launch a very strong pipeline this year and also for the coming years as well. The second thing we can think of is with our expansion for our skincare portfolio, including the benefit expansion and also product line expansion, we see further link sales for our product portfolios, which can help us to drive further marketing ROI. The third thing is our skincare brand. I think overall, for the three major skincare brands, we still have a pretty far potential to reach their optimized revenue level. So during this process, as we continue to drive brand awareness and also continuously drive the customer base, we still have the potential to grow our existing skincare brand. And last but not least, I think for us, we focus on launching some new products on some of the key channels. And then in the future, we will expand into other channels and also drive a better channel mix. So with that, I think that will contribute to the sustainable driver for the allocation. Going back to your questions about how can we continuously improve, I think as we said many times before, I think the product mix optimization and the channel mix optimization can help us drive the gross margin and also the further ROI on the marketing expenses. The second one is as we focus more on the customer CIM and also the product link sales, this will help us to further drive better ROI on the marketing expenses. The third thing is very important. For some of our brands, those brands are reaching what we call the optimized threshold. And in the future, as the brands like the revenue scale grow up, we will see further leverage on the true branding expenses ROI. So those are some of the things we see as very important to drive continuous improvement for profitability. Lucia Zhang: Thank you. That's really helpful and clear. Operator: The next question will come from Jennifer Wong with Hightower Securities. Please go ahead. Jennifer Wong: Hi. This is Jennifer Wong from Hightower Securities. So congratulations on the company's great performances. Could you please introduce just give us some colors on expected expenses of the company in the future? And maybe could you please share how do you view the increasingly fierce competition in the online channel? Thank you for your answers. Donghao Yang: Bob, can you help me to clarify what you mean by expenses? Jennifer Wong: Like, general expenses, operating expenses, etcetera, just generally speaking. Donghao Yang: Okay. Well, if you look at our financial statements, I see we see pretty stable G&A expenses in the past quarters. But having said that, I think moving forward, as the scale of our total revenue grows, I think we will see some operational leverage on the general and administrative expenses. We will continue to invest in some of what we think short-term wise, we will categorize as expenses, but we see it more like an investment, including R&D, and also for branding dollars to really build up the brand equity. Those are some of the areas that we focus on. And what sorry. What was your second question? Jennifer Wong: Oh, that's how do you view the ongoing sales competition on the online channel? How do you think our company is going to face such kind of situation? Thank you for your answers. Donghao Yang: I think as we said before, when we are looking at the beauty market, there are so many players, and then one of the reasons that we can continuously and also accelerate our growth is mainly driven by some of the investments we have devoted to R&D in the past few years and also our continuous commitment to brand building. So we did something right before why we are getting the growth today. So if we are looking at the competition, as long as we continue to focus on what we have done right, and then we will see more and more robust product lineup and better innovation is coming. And we will see the higher brand awareness so that we can get some more operational and also brand building optimization. And also, we will see some of the operational efficiency improving by our product mix and the channel mix optimization. And we will see some organization growth, but we focus on the cornerstones of our product innovation, customer focus, CIM, and etcetera. So as long as we focus on doing the right thing, we think in the future, we will achieve the long-term sustainable growth result. Thank you. Jennifer Wong: Thank you for your kind response. We're very looking forward to seeing the company's rapid growth. Donghao Yang: Appreciate it. Thank you. Operator: And this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any additional or closing comments. Please go ahead. Irene Lyu: Thank you once again for joining us today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us at Yatsen Holding Limited directly. Our contact information for IR in both China and the U.S. can be found in today's press release. Thank you and have a great day. Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
Operator: Welcome to ABN AMRO's Q3 2025 Analyst and Investor Call. Please note, this call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]. I will now hand the call over to speakers. Please go ahead. Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Good morning, and welcome to ABN AMRO's Q3 results presentation. I'm joined today by our CFO, Ferdinand Vaandrager; and our CRO, Serena Fioravanti. After our presentation, we will hold a Q&A session to address all your questions. Let me begin with the highlights of the third quarter on Slide 2 before moving to the announcement of our intention to acquire NIBC. The third quarter was another solid quarter for ABN AMRO. Net profit reached EUR 617 million with a return on equity of 9.5%. The inclusion of HAL contributed EUR 26 million to our results across all products we managed to grow this quarter. Our mortgage portfolio increased by EUR 2.1 billion and corporate loans grew by the same amount. Net new assets increased by EUR 4.3 billion. Cost discipline remains a priority with FTEs declining by 700 in Q3 and by almost 1,000 year-to-date, excluding HAL. Credit quality remained strong with EUR 49 million in net impairment releases reflecting recoveries and improved macroeconomic variables. Our CET1 ratio stands at 14.8%, and we finalized the EUR 250 million share buyback in September. We will review our capital position in Q4 to assess the potential for further capital returns. Now turning to our other announcement of the day. I'm very pleased to announce that we have reached an agreement to acquire NIBC. This acquisition is fully aligned with our strategy and presents a unique opportunity to reinforce our leading position in the Dutch retail market, and accelerate our personal and business banking strategy. NIBC is a well-run, primarily Dutch-focused entrepreneurial bank with a strong specialization in mortgage lending and savings products. It serves around 500,000 retail clients and around 175 corporate clients with a high-quality portfolio mortgage and very low arrears. NIBC will add around EUR 28 billion of mortgages, significantly increasing our scale in these markets, further cementing our leading position in the Dutch mortgage market. Around half of the mortgage portfolio will be off balance as NIBC has an attractive originate-to-manage franchise with long-dated mortgages. The acquisition also brings an attractive savings platform, serving 300,000 clients across the Netherlands, Germany and Belgium. The savings offer an interesting cross-sell opportunity with our investment platform, BUX. Given NIBC's domestic focus and the overlap of service providers, there is substantial potential for cost synergies with limited execution risk. This transaction is expected to deliver return on invested capital of around 18%, 1-8, and will improve our group's financial profile. The capital impact of approximately 70 basis points is anticipated at closing. The acquisition is, of course, subject to regulatory approvals and is expected to be completed during the second half of 2026. We look forward to welcoming NIBC's clients and colleagues and to the opportunities this acquisition will bring to us all. Now turning to our third quarter results. I will start with the Dutch economy. While the Dutch economy continues to perform well, supported by a strong fiscal position and low unemployment, the housing market remains robust, with pricing still rising, though at a lower pace than in the first half of the year. Employment continued to rise and is at a record high. The debt-to-GDP ratio of the Netherlands remains very healthy -- and that's a French person telling you that, it is significantly lower than other European countries. The Dutch elections results have been announced and coalition talks have begun. Ideally, the quick and stable formation process will allow the new government to start addressing important national issues, for example, the housing shortage or the nitrogen issue. Given this economic context on the next slide, I will discuss our results. We again showed a quarter with strong mortgage production growth, thanks to a robust housing market. Our mortgage portfolio grew by EUR 2.1 billion in Q3 with our market share in new production rising to 19%. We made some important amendments to our mortgage terms. We now automatically adjust risk premium after repayments, reviewing it monthly instead of only at the end of the fixed rate period. This led our mortgage products obtaining the top rating in the intermediary market, which accounts for nearly 75% of new volume. We observed an immediate increase in new volumes following this. Today, we also announced the rationalization of our mortgage brand line-up. Going forward, we will focus on our core labels, namely ABN AMRO and Florius and we will discontinue the Moneyou brand. This allows us to focus investments in our core labels, in technology and innovation to further improve our services. Moving to corporate loans, further organic growth and the inclusion of HAL resulted in EUR 2.1 billion loan growth this quarter. Loan growth was partially offset by the wind-down of asset-based finance. This quarter, we sold our U.K. lease portfolio. Moving to deposits. HAL added close to EUR 11 billion of client deposits. Within Wealth Management, we also have provided targeted offerings starting in Q2, which have resulted in net new assets of over EUR 4 billion this quarter. Given this positive developments in our lending and deposit franchises, let's now look more closely how these have supported our net interest income. Our net interest income increased to EUR 1.5 billion. HAL's inclusion contributed positively to NII by around EUR 34 million. The inflow of NHG mortgages and the adjustments we made in the mortgage terms I just mentioned before, led to slightly lower margins. However, the strong growth in our mortgage book offset this. Deposit margins declined partly related to targeted offerings within Wealth Management at reduced margins. Treasury results increased during Q3. However, the increase was a bit lower than initially expected. Based on last quarter's forward rates, the inflection point of replicating portfolio yield was expected at the beginning of next year. However, current interest rates have brought this timing forward this quarter, bringing the decline in the replicating yield to a standstill. In the coming quarters, we expect the deposit margins will start to become a tailwind. Looking ahead to next quarter and assuming a modest increase in treasury NII and stable deposit margins, we expect full year NII of at least EUR 6.3 billion, including HAL. Now turning to fees. Looking at our third quarter fee income, the fee contribution from HAL becomes evident, increasing overall fee income by around 10%. These excluding HAL, continued to increase, with fee income for the third quarter, reaching its highest level in the past 2 years. Personal and Business Banking fees increased mainly from higher seasonal payment transactions. Wealth Management fees was primarily thanks to higher advisory and mandated business volumes. Other income is volatile by nature and ended at EUR 28 million for Q3. The decline was caused by a number of factors, all having a negative impact on other income this quarter. Specifically, we booked lower equity participation results, lower other income within treasury and a negative fair value correction of past bookings related to some mortgages. Now moving to our operating expenses. We have further reduced expenses as we worked on rightsizing our cost base. This quarter, FTE showed a significant reduction of 700, half of which related to contractors in Group Functions. Since the beginning of the year, the number of contractors have declined by 1,100. To a limited extent, we onboarded external for their skills, which explains the small increase in internal FTEs over the same period. The Dutch Collective Labor Agreement increased wages by 3.75% on the 1st of July, leading to an increase this quarter in personnel expenses. Thanks to our ongoing cost discipline, our underlying cost base declined this quarter. At the beginning of the year, we projected our underlying costs excluding HAL to be between EUR 5.3 billion and EUR 5.4 billion, and we are confident now of ending at the lower end of this guidance. Including HAL, this now translates to a full year cost guidance between EUR 5.4 billion to EUR 5.5 billion. Now turning to our credit quality, which again remained very solid. Prudent risk management supports our strong financial results. We recorded impairment releases of EUR 49 million this quarter, mainly related to recoveries in corporate loans and improved macroeconomic variables. We saw some inflow into stage 3 for specific individual files, although, this was lower compared to the last few quarters and fully offset by releases. The total Stage 3 ratio decreased slightly to 2% and our coverage ratio was broadly stable for each of our lending projects. Given the impairments year-to-date, the cost of risk for 2025 will likely end around 0 for the full year. Now moving on to our capital position on the next slide. Our CET1 ratio remains stable at 14.8%, well above the regulatory requirements of 11.2%. The impact of the consolidation of HAL was offset by the quarterly contribution of our net profit. The total impact of HAL on our CET1 ratio as of Q3 is 40 basis points, 7 basis points of impact were already taken in Q2. The formal move of certain loan portfolios to the standardized approach had no impact on our capital ratio, while RWAs increased by EUR 1.6 billion. This was offset by lower capital deductions in our CET1 capital. During Q3, data quality improvements were realized around EUR 1 billion of RWA reductions, mainly from data improvements on real estate collateral. Further progress on data remediation is anticipated, for example, related to the SME support factor, which may result in further reductions in Q4. Looking ahead, as I mentioned, NIBC will impact our capital ratio by around 70 basis points at closing, expected in the course of next year. Our capital position remains robust, and our capital generation is strong. In Q4, we will review our capital outlook and incorporate all the relevant capital and RWA developments. Now to summarize our third quarter results. For 2025, we expect net interest income of at least EUR 6.3 billion and costs between EUR 5.4 billion and EUR 5.5 billion, both including HAL. We are delivering on our cost discipline, improving our data quality and sourcing and are delivering profitable growth in mortgages and deposits. The seamless integration of HAL and closing the acquisition of NIBC are important strategic milestones as we build scale in our core markets. Looking ahead, we are excited to invite you to our Capital Markets Day in just 2 weeks' time. There we will present our updated strategy and financial targets with a sharp focus on rightsizing our cost base, optimizing our capital allocation and unlocking profitable growth opportunities. We look forward to sharing our vision for the future and the next chapter in our journey with you. With that, I would like to ask the operator to open the call for Q&A. Thank you. Operator: [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Giulia Miotto from Morgan Stanley. Giulia Miotto: I'll start with a question on NIBC. Why do you think that the execution risk here is low? Like, can you give us any, I don't know, qualitative comment on, for example, do you have the same systems or -- anything that can give us confidence on essentially achieving this quite significant synergies? That would be my first comment. And then secondly, I wanted to ask on the costs. The quarter was very good. Was a beat versus consensus expectations, excluding the one-off, the EUR 55 million. However, the exit rate is actually quite high. If I take the mid-range, if I take basically EUR 5.450 billion and then I remove the EUR 3.9 billion that you've done so far, underlying would be EUR 1.55 billion for Q4, which is more than what I would expect. And then it's quite a high run rate for '26. So how should we think about the exit rate and yes, on the cost side? Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Thank you very much for your questions. I will start with your first question on NIBC, and Ferdi will take your question on costs. So on NIBC, bear in mind that this is an asset we know very well. We operate in the same market, in the same businesses, mortgages, savings. So this is an asset we know very well indeed. And you're right, we have evident synergies. I'm going to give you just one. We use, for instance, for mortgages, the same service provider Stater. So this is an evident synergy just to flag this one. It is too early to share all the details, of course, of the target operating model. Bear in mind that the transaction will be only closed in the second half of 2026. But we are indeed confident that this is below execution risk transaction for us. Now Ferdi to the cost this quarter and looking forward? Ferdinand Vaandrager: Yes, Giulia, I think the most important message on cost is that underlying our costs are going down, evidenced by the FTE reductions year-to-date. And this offsets the more than offset the CLA increase. As Marguerite said already earlier, we will end at the low end of the guidance range, excluding Hauck Aufhäuser Lampe, but if you add the cost of Hauck Aufhäuser Lampe, we will add in the range of EUR 5.3 billion EUR 5.4 billion. If you look at the exit rate in Q4, we always have some prudency in our guidance, specifically for Q4 because, as usual, you can always expect some seasonal cost increases. Last year, that was around 4%. So that's what you need to take into account if you look at the exit rate in the guidance. Giulia Miotto: Okay. But so just to clarify on the Q4 costs. So it will probably be higher than an exit rate for '26. It sounds like because there is some in Q4... Ferdinand Vaandrager: There can always be, Giulia, that is the question underlying, we expect the cost trend to continue as we've seen in the previous quarters. But normally, there is some prudency of the seasonal cost increase you can see in Q4. Giulia Miotto: Understood. Ferdinand Vaandrager: The guidance is fairly clear between the EUR 5.4 billion and EUR 5.5 billion, including the cost of Hauck Aufhäuser Lampe. Operator: The next question comes from the Namita Samtani from Barclays. Namita Samtani: The first one on the NIBC deal, thanks to the EUR 100 million of first run rate cost synergies in 2029. But when you speak about further upside from revenue synergies what are you referring to? Are these funding synergies? And do you have a sense of quantum? And also the legal merger of ABN AMRO Hypotheken Groep into ABN AMRO. Is that included in the deal maths that you've given today? And my second question, on the replicating portfolio, is it still EUR 165 billion in size? And how should we think about the long end part of the replicating portfolio? Is it more mechanical, for example, just a very simple 5-year swap rolling mathematically or in fairly even tranches? It's just that replicating portfolio slide on Page 16, it confuses me a bit. And I can't understand when year-on-year, I'm going to see a benefit from the hedge. Is it in 2027? So any color there helpful. Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Thank you very much. I will take your question on NIBC, and Ferdi will take your question on the replicating portfolio. So yes, we see this transaction on NIBC as very accretive indeed because there are synergies in costs as well as in revenues. Just to give you a few highlights, we are adding 500,000 new retail clients to the ABN AMRO Group. These are clients that have -- that are mass affluent clients. So they fit very well our group. We think that we can bring more products and services to these clients. We also see, as I briefly mentioned an opportunity in using BUX to serve these clients. Bear in mind that NIBC have clients, of course, primarily in the Netherlands, but also in Belgium and Germany. So BUX can really help with that. And yes, in terms of synergies, there are also funding synergies, both on the revenue side as well, I would say, on the cost side, just to hint at a few of the positives we see in the transactions. Ferdinand Vaandrager: Yes, maybe come back and to add to that Marguerite. Indeed, we're prudent in our assessment. So the EUR 100 million is the post tax cost synergies. Of course, there can be some funding synergies. For example, we can over time, refinance the debt securities at the lower rates and also potential reduced LCR targets. But also on the other hand, you might also see some dis-synergies from deposit churn. So overall, if you look at the synergies, it's negligible in our assumption on the revenue and the funding synergy side. If your question on the replicating portfolio, yes, I can confirm the size is still around EUR 165 billion. As you have seen some terming in, that means that it has increased somewhat over the past 2 quarters, and it's also still there around 40% to 45% of the replicating portfolio reprices within 1 year, and the overall duration is around 3 years. If you look at the sensitivity slide in the presentation. It's now an update on a quarterly basis. So the starting point is slightly different from the previous quarters. And there, you can see that we have seen the inflection point already on the income side. But if you purely look at the sensitivity, it does not take into account any changes in volume, and it does not take into account any cost changes, i.e., changes in deposit pricing. So you should just look at as a sensitivity on the replicating income as an 'as is' situation. Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: And forgive me because I realized I forgot to answer your question on the legal merger and of course, yes the transaction with NIBC is subject to all regulatory approvals. And that, of course, includes the legal merger. Let's say, we do not anticipate difficulties on that front. Operator: The next question comes from Tarik El Mejjad from BofA. Tarik El Mejjad: Just another question on NIBC and one on cost base. I mean I guess you share with us more detailed math on the deal with the synergy expected with some time frame because, I mean, clearly, usually, at least on my M&A model, I mean revenue synergies is not something I would push too much. And on the cost sounds quite punchy here, but I mean, Marguerite, you gave some indications of what kind of synergies. But yes, if you can share with us would be helpful. I mean this is very important for your capital allocation, I guess. And my question is what's next? Because I was more expecting a deal on the Wealth Management to be honest. And in Bloomberg, you mentioned that this is it in terms of deals to be announced. So is this now back to focus on restructuring the bank and costs? Or should we expect more potentially destructive deals to come? So that's number one. And number two, on just maybe a question for Ferdinand. On the cost guidance, EUR 5.4 billion, EUR 5.5 billion, is that excluding incidentals or it's all-in reported guidance? Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Thank you. Thank you very much for your questions. A couple of things. Yes, this deal is highly accretive. The 18% return on invested capital, we are very confident is achievable. And indeed, what we primarily factored, I mean why we factored in this model was primarily cost synergies. So if there are revenue synergies on top of it, it is an upside. But I agree with you, this is not a primary thing that we looked at in this deal. And looking forward, we will be sharing yes, more details on the target operating model, but that will come in due course. Just to clarify the answer I gave to Bloomberg. This was more an answer on saying, well, we're not going to call every morning to announce to announce a new M&A deal. So it's just that -- I think the question I got from Sarah there was like, is there something else coming out at the CMD? So no, in the next 2 weeks, don't expect any other announcement from us. And as far as our strategy is concerned, organic and inorganic, we will share everything in 2 weeks when you come to our Capital Markets Day. Ferdinand Vaandrager: Yes. Tarik, to come back to your question on the guidance. Initially, the guidance was equal to last year. We expect to end up at the lower end of that range. Hauck Aufhäuser Lampe adds between the EUR 130 million and EUR 140 million. So this translates in the updated guidance. And clearly, the updated guidance is excluding the incidentals as announced today. Operator: The next question comes from Benoit Petrarque from Kepler Cheuvreux. Benoit Petrarque: So just to come back on NIBC, sorry for that. Just again, the strategic rationale. Because it sounds like a very financially attractive deal and it seems that from a strategic point of view, that was the main reason behind this deal. I was also a bit expecting a bit more other type of deals, let's say. And maybe I missed it, but do you see kind of any franchise value in NIBC or you see just purely 100% as a financial attractive deal with 10% accretion by '29. Just wanted to clarify that because I also see a very low fee base at NIBC. And I was also expecting a bit more fee business as target. And I was also wondering if you could provide some timing on the EUR 140 million pretax synergies, whether we'll start to see some positive effect from that in '27 or that will be more back-end loaded? And just second question on NII. So your guidance of more than EUR 6.3 billion implies roughly EUR 50 million quarter-on-quarter on NII in Q4. And I was just wondering if you could provide the moving parts, deposit margin, lending margin, treasury income. What will drive this improvement in the fourth quarter? Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Thank you very much for your questions. So on NIBC, it is indeed both, a financially sound deal, an accretive deal and also a strategic deal. I think it's a good -- it's a good way of proving how we look at M&A. M&A strategy will always be disciplined and we will only pursue it if we find it shareholder accretive. It will be -- this is one of our criterion. You see it with this deal and the 18% of return on invested capital that it brings to the bank. This being said, we see a natural strategic fit with NIBC. It brings us scale in our domestic market in mortgages and in savings. The NIBC brand is a very good brand in the Netherlands. This is a brand that has been existing for 80 years. It has an entrepreneurial flavor. It appeals to the client base that's also slightly different from the clients we already have at ABN AMRO. So it is a great way for us to keep growing and strengthen our position in our domestic market. To your question of -- yes -- to full -- when we see the full benefit of the synergies we mentioned, we express it as 2029 just because as I said, we do expect the closing of the transaction to only happen in the second half of 2026. So we do expect a full benefit of the synergies to be there in 2029. But it does not all happen in the last year, of course. Ferdinand Vaandrager: Yes. And Benoit, maybe on your NII. Arguably you could say NII for this quarter is slightly lower, but I want to reiterate here that is mainly by our own decision. So it was a targeted wealth management campaign. And there, you see a very good NNA growth of almost EUR 4.3 billion. So now it's key that we start transferring that in valuable assets. Number two is an acceleration in the ABF wind down, specifically portfolio sale in the U.K., which is ahead of plan. And what Marguerite already said that is the implementation of what we call here [ARNA]. And that has clearly a positive impact on our position with the intermediaries. Also, if you look at our market share now up till 19%, so for Q4, we expect a modest improvement in the treasury results, as well as stable deposit margins. And if you look at the update on the sensitivity slide, what we discussed earlier, the inflection point of the replicating portfolio is already reached this quarter or, I should say, a start of Q4. So that brings the decline in the replicating yields to a standstill. But if you look at the sensitivity, the tailwinds will be very limited initially and will be more pronounced in the second half of next year. Operator: The next question comes from Benjamin Goy from Deutsche Bank. Benjamin Goy: Two questions, please. So first, on NIBC, again, which over the last 6, 7 years, has built up a significant off-balance sheet mortgage book. Just wondering your thoughts on that part of the business because you very much rely on balance sheet growth? And then secondly, you also call it a low execution risk. I'm just wondering, when you look at capital return going forward, do you basically take your current capital ratio minus 70%? Or would you include a buffer given the uncertainties and execution risk? Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Thank you very much. So on the -- on your question of the originate-to-manage portfolio that NIBC has and that represents roughly half its portfolio. We see, it as actually an interesting and value-added opportunity for ABN AMRO because it's not something we were doing already, and we see opportunities with that. So we welcome that addition in our business model. And I confirm that we've been thoroughly assessing the CET1 impact of these transactions that amounts to 70 basis points. And this takes into account a very prudent approach to the transaction, including all form of day 1 provisioning and so on that may be needed. So I would say, so it's a fully loaded 70 basis points. Operator: The next question comes from Chris Hallam from Goldman Sachs International. Chris Hallam: Just a couple of follow-ups. So first, just on funding synergies. Ferdi, I think you said those have been negligible, i.e. not particularly incremental to the 18%, but I'm just wondering how that works given their funding mix, which is much less skewed to deposit funding than your own and their own deposit funding cost, which is higher than yours. So just is this a reason why either you wouldn't fully change the funding mix or why you would expect to see a very high level of deposit attrition? And then second, I acknowledge we've got the CMD coming up very soon. But just looking specifically into 2026, as you're going through the year-end budgeting process, what are the key items you're focused on for the cost side of the business? Are there any specific items or challenges for ABN AMRO that we should consider for 2026 in particular? Both for ABN I guess, on the one side, but also for the industry more broadly? Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Ferdi, I will let you take this. Ferdinand Vaandrager: Yes, Chris, I'll start with the first one. So absolutely, there is a potential. But again, the argument here that we try to be prudent and specifically look at cost synergies. Of course, there can be some revenue synergies, but also the funding synergies here. It's too early to start communicating on the potential here, and some of the funding synergies, arguably will be further out also beyond the indicated 2029. But for sure, this provides potential on top of the indicated cost synergies. Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: And on your question. Well, '26 happens to be the first year of our strategic plans. So I promise we will share everything on '26 as well as for the following years at our CMD in 2 weeks. This being said, I believe in discipline and I believe in saying what we do and doing what we say. We've been very clear from the beginning that rightsizing our cost base, steering on capital and pursuing profitable growth are all 3 like motives. And so 2026 will look like that. Operator: The next question comes from Farquhar Murray from Autonomous. Farquhar Murray: Just 2 questions, if I may. Firstly, more broadly on M&A. You now have kind of 2 integrations with HAL and NIBC. Do you think there's sufficient management room kind of bandwidth for another deal in the near term? And then maybe coming back a little bit to HAL actually, as an integration given it's come on board post closing. I just wondered if you could give us an update on how that business is performing as compared to the original expectations of that acquisition. In particular, I'm thinking about the cost synergy target of EUR 60 million there? Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Thank you very much. So I'll take your first question on bandwidth, and I will let Ferdi comment on the HAL integration. I think that was your second question. So do we have the bandwidth? Yes, we do. We are moving at pace. We have a very strong management team. I'm very happy with our Executive Board. And basically, Choy, who is in charge of Wealth is very much involved in the integration of HAL and making it a success. We have colleagues that have been very much involved in the due diligence regarding NIBC, and who will be, in due time, fully ready also to be there for the integration. So we're very confident that we have all it takes to make this integration a success. With M&A, you don't necessarily plan in advance, but we will know how to be opportunistic, if needs be, as I said, always with discipline and only if it's shareholder accretive. Ferdinand Vaandrager: Yes. Maybe just on Hauck Aufhäuser Lampe, as indicated earlier, cost synergies, year 3, EUR 60 million. Also, if we look at the first quarter after consolidation, we're confident that we're going to reach that. So no unexpected surprises in here. We've also said that we need around one-off cost of around EUR 90 million, 1/3 integration cost and 2/3 restructuring cost. We booked so far this year around EUR 8 million in integration costs. The integration is fully on track. So the legal merger between HAL AG and ABN AMRO is to be completed by the end of 2026, and that will really simplify the further integration. So the bottom line is here over results, of the results what we see now is in line with expectations, and we're very confident we're going to reach the EUR 60 million run rate synergies in year 3, which is 2028. Operator: The next question comes from Delphine Lee from JPMorgan. Delphine Lee: My first question is just going back to NIBC and just your thoughts about M&A in general. I mean just wanted to understand kind of what areas of priorities you would have? Would it -- I mean, because is the intention in the long run to continue to strengthen the position in the Netherlands? Or would it mean more to kind of diversify a little bit away from your mortgage book through private banking or corporate banking? Just trying to understand a little bit kind of where your focus is M&A-wise? And my second question is just in terms of excess capital and the usage, and how you allocate capital more generally speaking, is the intention over the long run to sort of manage it to kind of increase the payout? Do you still think there is room with the transaction further down the line? Just trying to think about how you manage your capital with buybacks and what we should expect? Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Thank you very much. You are anticipating on what we are going to share in 2 weeks. I will only reiterate that, we only consider M&A when it is disciplined, when it is shareholder-accretive. We think that adding scale in our home market is a smart, strategic move, and back to how acquisition that the bank recently completed and Ferdi was commenting on. This is also a strong strategic fit for us as we grow in wealth in Northwestern Europe, which is part of our strategy. But we will describe all of this at our CMD. In terms of our capital position and our capital usage. Again, this will be the topic of CMD in 2 weeks. But basically, in a nutshell, we will continue to optimize our RWA both in data and from steering more to come on that. The outcome of our capital assessment will be communicated with our Q4 results, including potential capital distributions. But we have a strong balance sheet and a strong capital position. And I think, yes, the rest will come. Bear with us for 2 more weeks. Operator: The next question comes from Juan Pablo Lopez Cobo from Santander. Juan Lopez Cobo: First one is regarding NIBC. Probably I missed some of the KPIs, but you mentioned that the deal is highly accretive. Regarding EPS accretion, if we assume, let's say, EUR 100 million net income coming from NIBC and the EUR 100 million synergies lower post tax. Is it fair to assume an EPS accretion of around 7% to 8%. Does it sound reasonable for you? That's my first question. My second question is regarding the deposits campaign. If you could share some color on this deposit campaign? Volume can we assume around EUR 3 billion, cost probably around 2% or slightly above 2%. And maybe duration, if I got you right, I don't know if we can assume the NII impact in this Q coming from the deposit campaign could be something around EUR 15 million, EUR 20 million. So it will be interesting to know to listen the duration and what percentage of these deposits you think will stay in the bank? Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Thank you. Thank you very much. I will let Ferdi answer both your questions. Maybe just a clarification because I'm not sure that we fully agreed on the figure. But when we mentioned cost synergies, it's EUR 100 million post tax. So basically, pretax, it's higher, just to clarify that point. Ferdi, I'll let you go into the EPS accretion. Ferdinand Vaandrager: No. I think if you look at the underlying, how you come to your calculation, fully synergized a profit of around EUR 200 million, indeed, you would come in 2029 to around 7% EPS accretion. And then again, if you look at the overall deposits, yes, we assume some outflow, but we expect it to be limited from the overall deposit campaign. And the most important part of the targeted deposit campaign is increased our net new assets. It had an impact on our on overall margins, but now it should really translate into valuable assets. So that is a transfer into either discretely portfolio management either in advisory or private markets. Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: But usually, what we observe is that it takes usually 6 months for bankers to actually transform into more valuable assets. Operator: [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Anke Reingen from RBC. Anke Reingen: It's just 2 number questions, please. Firstly, on the other income, that was quite big this quarter. And I just wonder, is it sort of like a run rate? I mean, a number of banks talked about NII and other income of their value result, like mix effect. Should we see that the Q3 other income could be a run rate going forward? And then on the deposit costs, is there sort of like a change in trend where in the past, we were talking about cuts and savings rates. We're now talking about some selective campaigns on higher deposits with a benefit to volume? Would you say the trend has changed here? Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Thanks. Ferdi, on these 2 questions. Ferdinand Vaandrager: No, let me start on other income. It was low this quarter at EUR 28 million. So also quarterly-on-quarter significantly down. And we explained that the main impact here is number one, equity participation. You're always dependent when the revaluation is done. And in Q2, we had a successful exit of the portfolio. ALM results is always volatile. And in this quarter, it always depends on your economic hedges and hedging effectiveness. But the main driver this quarter was lower fair value revaluations on the IFRS 17 and it was specifically related to one-off correction of past bookings in the March fiscal, and that impact was roughly EUR 30 million. So if you look for the coming years, other income is volatile by nature. It also includes XVAs, ALM results and private equity revaluations. But overall, excluding incidentals in the past years, it was around EUR 450 million. And if you would also exclude volatile items around the EUR 400 million. Then if you look at changes on pricing. No, the deposit campaign was very targeted at Wealth Management. So we really target the specific client group. And as said earlier already, we are willing to do that at very low margins because there, we see the opportunity to transfer that in valuable assets. So it's absolutely not a change broader how you should look at our prices. Operator: The next question comes from Jason Kalamboussis from ING. Jason Kalamboussis: I'm coming back to what Tarik mentioned. While the deal is good value for money strategically and from a higher level, it looks like it distracts to what I thought was a clearer focus on wealth management. So if you have any additional thoughts, welcome there. So moving on to wealth. Could you please provide the split year-to-date of the inflows in custody and the rest? And is it something that we could see provided on a quarterly basis? The second thing is on HAL. What are the -- how does the AUMs that you brought in split again into -- can you split out the custody and cash elements, if possible? And my third question is, is the reasonable assumption to -- when I'm looking at your AUM to assume that most of the custody and cash assets above 75% are in the Netherlands, that will be very useful. Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Thank you very much. I'll take your first question, and we'll let Ferdi answer the 2 others. In terms of strategy, we believe that it is a perfect strategic fit to actually keep growing and at scale in our home markets. We have the platform for that. We already have 5 million clients in the Netherlands, NIBC adds, roughly 500,000 new retail clients. We do believe in scale and in using our platform, both in mortgages and savings in the Netherlands. This being said, we also do believe that wealth management is an extremely good business of ABN AMRO. I mean we have a strong #1 position in the Netherlands with the market shares of the 35%. We have now a strong #3 position in Germany. We also are present in France and to lesser extent in Belgium. So we will share our strategy for 3 businesses at our CMD. But indeed, we do like very much the wealth management business. Ferdi on the 2 other questions? Ferdinand Vaandrager: Yes, Jason, number one is the split between custody. Overall, you should see that there's the difference between core net new assets and total net new assets of core net new assets. So overall, core and net new assets we had a very strong quarter. As discussed earlier, mainly reflecting the cash inflow from targeted offerings and indeed, the majority of this was wealth management in the Netherlands. Total NNA plus EUR 4.3 billion. So the custody is included in here for this quarter was plus EUR 1 billion more or less. If you look at the total custody within Wealth Management of course that was also a question, I think that is around the EUR 50 billion today. Then I also think, but I didn't hear you that well this, client asset inclusion of Hauck Aufhäuser Lampe. So in total, this was around EUR 26 billion and the split there was around EUR 23 billion in securities and EUR 4 billion in cash. The majority of that inclusion is in securities. Jason Kalamboussis: That's very useful. Just a quick follow-up. I mean, on the NIBC deal, what I'm a bit surprised is that the fee element is quite small. So you have less than 10% that's coming in fees. So that was a bit the sense of my question that, yes, I understand the scale. And also it's a good deal financially. But on the other hand, I would have thought that your focus would have been towards increasing the fee side within your income, whereas this goes a bit the other way. But again, If you have any comments, that would be great. Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: I understand your question. As I said, it adds scale, which is, I think, a very positive strategic move, and it's also financially very accretive. So we saw it as 2 very good reasons to pursue this acquisition. Ferdinand Vaandrager: Yes, maybe to add there, it's also had the addition of the savings account to the BUX platform, that might provide at least investment propositions there where we are absolutely focusing on transferring NII into fees. Operator: There are no more questions at this time. I will now hand the word back to the speakers for any closing remarks. Marguerite Bérard-Andrieu: Well, I thank you very much all for your questions this morning, and we look forward to welcoming you at our Capital Markets Day on November 25. And for the time on, goodbye. And thanks again. Have a great day.
Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to H World Quarter 3, 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your first speaker today, Mr. Jason Chen. Thank you. Please go ahead. Jason Chen: Thank you. Good morning, and good evening, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. Welcome to H World Group 2025 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Joining us today is our Founder and Chairman, Mr. Ji Qi; our CEO, Mr. Jin Hui; our CFO, Ms. Chen Hui; and our CSO, Ms. He Jihong. Following their prepared remarks, management will be available to answer your questions. Before we continue, please note that the discussion today will include forward-looking statements made under the safe harbor provision of the United States Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. As such, our results may be materially different from the views expressed today. A number of potential risks and uncertainties are outlined in our public filings with the SEC. H World Group does not undertake any obligations to update any forward-looking statements, except as required under applicable laws. On the call today, we will also mention adjusted financial measures during the discussion of our performance. Reconciliations of those measures to comparable GAAP information can be found in our earnings release that was distributed earlier today. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. The webcast of this conference call as well as supplementary slide presentation is available at ir.hworld.com. With that, now I will hand over the call to our CEO, Mr. Jin Hui, to discuss our business performance in the third quarter of 2025. Mr. Jin, please. Hui Jin: [Interpreted] I believe many of you have noticed that 2 weeks ago, on the occasion of H World's 20th anniversary, we successfully held a partner conference being 20 years young forging ahead. Therefore, before diving into our third quarter performance review, I'd like to take a few minutes to once again share some of our thoughts on the long-term outlook of China's hotel industry and us. In summary, we believe H World has great long-term growth potential by deeply rooted in China market. Currently, we can observe that while the industry supply is relatively ample, high-quality supply is in noticeable shortage. Compared to the mature U.S. market, China still has low hotel trend penetration and the industry remains fragmented. As a unified large singular market similar to the U.S. but with an even larger population base, the increase in churn ratio and the phase-out of low-quality supply will inevitably become a long-term trend. More importantly, the demand for travel is gradually shifting from discretionary demand to necessity for Chinese consumers nowadays. China has the best infrastructure worldwide with extensive high-speed rail and highway network coverage. This has made traveling much easier and more convenient, facilitating the penetration of accommodation needs from major cities to country-level markets. Additionally, Chinese consumers are beginning to redefine consumption concepts and oriental aesthetics. We can see a substantial increase in the consumer desire in seeking sales pressure, which further drives the growth of experiential consumption such as tourism, exhibitions, concerts, and sports events. Apparently, the current supply quality in China's hotel industry is unable to fully meet consumers' increasingly upgraded and diversified demand. Therefore, supply side reform will be the main theme of the future industry development and this will undoubtedly bring tremendous growth opportunities for domestic branded hotels like us. As the leading players in China's hotel industry, we will continue deepening our roots in the China market, pursuing high-quality growth and delivering service excellence with a brand-led approach to reduce industry with centering on high quality and efficiency. We are full of confidence in the future development of China's hotel industry. After sharing our perspectives on the long-term outlook, now let's turn to our third quarter performance. We are pleased to see early signs of improvement in the overall market condition. On the demand side, data from railway, aviation and the number of tourists indicate that the domestic travel demand continuously to grow steadily with the increasing demand for travel being particularly evident during the National Day and mid-autumn festival holiday period. On the supply side, third-party data shows that the sequential supply growth has stabilized and the year-over-year growth rate has moderated. However, we still need more time to see if this trend is sustainable. We are glad to report that H World delivered good results across several key metrics in the quarter. In the third quarter, we achieved a year-over-year increase in ADR while maintaining a relatively stable occupancy rate driven by refined revenue management initiatives, including optimizing pricing strategies across flagship hotel, newly opened hotel and a mature hotel as well as refining promotional strategies and enhancing incentive programs. As a result, our RevPAR stayed largely stable compared to the same period last year. Breaking through in new cities and regions and further penetrating in the lower-tier cities, we achieved another quarter of high-quality network expansion driven by a 17.3% year-over-year increase in the number of rooms in operation. Our group hotel GMV grew by 17.5% year-over-year to RMB 30.6 billion. Meanwhile, along with our network expansion and the continuous enhancement of H Rewards membership program, our membership base exceeded 300 million by the end of third quarter, up 17.3% year-over-year and ranking #1 globally. In addition, room nights sold to the members rose 19.7% compared to the same period of last year, exceeding RMB 66 million and accounting for 74% of the total room nights sold, which is also a leading position in worldwide. More importantly, our monetized and franchised business delivered strong growth in its hotel network revenue as well as profit. Our third quarter group M&F revenue rose 27.2% year-over-year to RMB 3.3 billion, and the group M&F gross operating profit increased by 28.6% year-over-year to RMB 2.2 billion, contributing over 70% of the group's total gross operating profit. In terms of hotel network expansion, we remain steadfast in executing our strategic focus on economy and middle scale segments to serve the mass market. This strategic positioning aligns precisely with the current consumer behavior of seeking value for money products and services and can further demonstrate our competitive advantages. By continuously upgrading our core products and enhancing our excellent service with a customer-centric principle, we are enhancing the quality of our hotel portfolio and strengthening our brand positioning to achieve long-term sustainable growth. The new version of HanTing along with our middle-scale brands, Ji Hotel and Orange Hotel, will serve as the key growth engines for our expansion in the lower-tier cities and provides strong foundation for achieving our strategic goal of 20,000 hotels in 2,000 cities. At the same time, H World has also made rapid breakthrough in the upper-midscale segment. At the end of third quarter, our number of upper-midscale hotels in operation and in pipeline exceeded 1,600, up 25.3% year-over-year. More importantly, to meet the growing consumer demand for quality living or oriental aesthetics and unique experiences, we recently launched a brand-new upper mid-scale brand, Ji Icons during our 20th anniversary. The introduction of Ji Icon further enriched our upper-midscale brand portfolio and help us to achieve comprehensive coverage from oriental to Western brands and from selected service to lifestyle hotel offerings. Ji Icon's brand embodies a combination of subtle understated and elegant oriental aesthetic, enabling a value lift from accommodation functionality to a holistic lifestyle experience. The success of Ji Hotels has demonstrated Chinese consumers' ethnicity for oriental aesthetics and culture. We are confident that building upon Ji Hotels Foundation, Ji Icon will further deepen the expression of oriental aesthetics and the culture element. Moreover, our group's strong supply chain and modular construction capability as well as our global leading membership and direct sales capability will effectively support our Ji Icons to reach low construction cost, high operational efficiency, and high product quality. We believe Ji Icons will become one of the big driving force to support our penetration in the upper-midscale segment and has the potential to become another world-class brand after HanTing, Ji Hotel, and Orange brand. We remain focusing on strengthening our direct sales capabilities through H Rewards membership program. Our membership program and direct sales capability are vital to our sustainable long-term business growth. Our membership base has been growing as we expand our hotel network and entering into more cities. By the end of third quarter, H Rewards membership exceeded 300 million and the room nights sold to the members grew 19.7% year-over-year with enlarging portion of contribution to the total room nights sold. Going forward, we will further enhance our membership benefits, expand loyalty points usage scenarios, and explore cross-industry partnership to strengthen member engagement and enhance direct sales capability. This concludes the business update for H World's Third Quarter 2025. Now I will hand over the call to our CFO, Ms. Chen Hui, to present the group's financial performance for the quarter. Hui Chen: Thank you, Jin Hui. Good evening, and good morning, everyone. Let me walk you through our third quarter financial overview. During the quarter, our group revenue grew 8.1% year-over-year to RMB 7 billion and Legacy-Huazhu revenue grew 10.8% year-over-year to RMB 5.7 billion, both surpassed the high end of our previous guidance. It was mainly driven by better-than-expected RevPAR performance as well as hotel network expansion. Group adjusted EBITDA rose by 18.9% year-over-year to RMB 2.5 billion, with margin improved by 3.3 percentage points year-over-year to 36.1%. The faster adjusted EBITDA growth and margin expansion were mainly contributed to further enlarged profit contribution from our asset-light business. Cost savings from Legacy-DH, partially on the absence of RMB 81 million restructuring costs incurred in the third quarter last year as well as cost optimization efforts from Legacy-Huazhu. Looking into our asset-light manachised and franchised franchise business. In the third quarter, powered by our high-quality asset-light network expansion and better-than-expected RevPAR performance. Our manachised and franchised business revenue recorded a robust 27.2% year-over-year growth to RMB 3.3 billion. More importantly, manachised and franchised business gross operating profit rose by 28.6% year-over-year to RMB 2.2 billion with a margin of 68% in the third quarter. As a result, gross operating profit contribution from our manachised and franchised business further enlarged to 70% in the third quarter, up 11.1 percentage points year-over-year. Moving to our cash flow and liquidity position. In the third quarter, we generated RMB 1.7 billion operating cash flow. And at the quarter end, the group had RMB 13.3 billion cash and cash equivalents and RMB 6.6 billion net cash on the balance sheet. Lastly, on our guidance for the fourth quarter of 2025, we expect our group revenue to grow 2% to 6% compared to the same quarter last year and 3% to 7% if excluding DH. The manachised and franchised revenue in the fourth quarter of 2025 is expected to grow in the range of 17% to 21% compared to the fourth quarter last year. With that, we are ready to take your questions. Operator, please open the line for Q&A. Operator: The first question comes from the line of Dan Chee of Morgan Stanley. Dan Chee: My question is about RevPAR and demand trend. Firstly, on the company's fourth quarter China revenue guidance of 3% to 4% year-on-year growth, what's the implied RevPAR assumption? Can the management share any 2026 outlook for us, especially after seeing third quarter RevPAR decline turns almost flat, especially on the new experiential demand Mr. Jin mentioned versus the original business demand weakness. So which one is driving the RevPAR stabilization? Hui Jin: [Interpreted] So as many of you may notice that in the third quarter, our RevPAR is a bit stabilized. On a year-over-year basis, it's kind of flat. It's not further declining compared to last 2 quarters. And of course, we observed several trends during the quarter. In terms of the demand, obviously, the demand was mainly driven by the leisure travel demand, especially from the tourism activities starting from summer holiday to September and of course, the beginning of the October National Day and mid-autumn festival as well. But on the supply side, as I mentioned before, on a year-over-year basis from the third-party data, we saw the supply growth actually moderated, so it was not growing as fast as before. So it's becoming a bit moderated, so which brings some of the benefits to the RevPAR stabilization. But more importantly, for us, S1 has been putting a lot of efforts over the last 6 months in terms to further enhance our, for example, the revenue management, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, in terms of setting a new pricing strategy among different tiers of hotels like flagship new hotels and mature hotels. And therefore, I think -- but looking to the fourth quarter, because we are entering into the low season, there is still some of the uncertainties, so as of now, based on our revenue guidance, it implies our fourth quarter RevPAR, which is somewhere around flattish to slightly positive for the fourth quarter. In terms of business demand and leisure demand, of course, there are still some of the macro uncertainties. So to be very frank, the business demand is not that strong yet. But on the other hand, for the leisure demand, it was continuously growing. As I mentioned previously, for the Chinese consumers nowadays, the leisure traveling demand has become -- gradually becoming a necessity instead of discretional demand and especially for some emerging new demand such as concerts, marathon, sports events, and inbound traveler as well. So the leisure remained very strong. In terms of the outlook for the next year, we think it's a bit too early. It still takes time to see whether the stabilization in terms of the RevPAR and the supply-demand equivalent is sustainable. So we will give more color for our fourth quarter earnings. Thank you. Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Sijie Lin of CICC. Sijie Lin: My question is about RevPAR breakdown. If we look at ADR and OCC, we see that ADR performed better recently. So trying to understand the reason behind this and the sustainability. Also, if we look at the gap between blended RevPAR and same-hotel RevPAR, the gap remained at similar level with last few quarters. So is there any chance that the gap narrows in the future? And what measures need to be taken? Hui Jin: [Interpreted] In terms of the ADR, of course, for 2025, the improvement of RevPAR has been a very key task for our top management team. And of course, they have been putting a lot of efforts on that. So in terms of ADR, as I mentioned earlier, so we have doing a lot of works on further enhancing our revenue management capability, especially on the pricing for different layer of the hotel and different products. And of course, on the front line, we give a lot of various incentives to our salespeople to further motivate them to do a lot of sales activities. However, apart from these things we have been doing over the 6 months -- over the last 6 months, actually, the ADR increase in the third quarter is a result from our continuous efforts on the product upgrades, the quality improvements as well as our service excellence because we have been doing these things for many, many years and continuously doing so, and we have more and more recommendations from our customers. So that's why in certain areas or in certain regions, our products and service is definitely in a leading position, which gave us some of the pricing power, which led us to achieve a better ADR for the third quarter. And in terms of the like-for-like hotel or mature hotels, the gap, we are glad to see the year-over-year decline was narrowed significantly in the third quarter. On one hand, we -- in terms of the pricing, we use a lot of different layer for pricing the different products. Over the last 1.5 years, we opened a lot of high-quality hotels, new hotels in some of Tier 1, Tier 2 cities, which is creating some of the cannibalization to the existing hotels. But through different pricing -- in different pricing strategy for different products, I think we are seeing some of the improvements for our mature hotels. And fourth -- and more importantly, we keep doing a lot of existing hotels upgrades to further improve the hotel quality itself in order to rise -- improve the RevPAR as a whole. Operator: The next question will come from the line of Lydia Ling of Citi. Lydia Ling: Lydia from Citi. So I have a question regarding the brand, especially for the newly launched upper-midscale brand, Ji Icons. So could you actually share some -- your plans for this brand and such as your store opening plan and also the store economics like the CapEx and the payback period? And how actually your advantage versus like the current other leading upper-midscale brand in the market? And how is the feedback from the franchisees so far? Hui Jin: [Interpreted] Okay. So in terms of the Ji Icons brand, so obviously, the launch of Ji Icons brand has shown a very strong determination for H World to break through and development in the upper-midscale segment with multi-brand strategy. This trend is very clear. And secondly, based on the current culture confidence or Chinese culture confidence and also the preference from the Chinese consumers on our oriental culture or oriental service as well as oriental lifestyle that also basically support the launch of the Ji Icons brand. And as I said before, Ji Icons is going to definitely become one of the core brands in our upper-midscale segment. And we hope this brand can be the best brand or the best hotel that Chinese customers will like the most. So in terms of the UE, in terms of the CapEx you asked, we hope we can share more information after the first hotels opened. Thank you. Operator: Our next question comes from Simon Cheung of Goldman Sachs. Simon Cheung: The question is related to the hotel opening. In the third quarter, they've done very well in terms of hotel opening over 700. And I think in the first 9 months, they opened more than 2,000 hotels. That's on track or even exceeded the 2,300 hotel that they have targeted for the full year. Wondering whether there's any update for that and in particular, also on the new signing as well. And then on the related questions, given the focus and the strong momentum that they have seen in the upscale segments -- upper-midscale segments where they achieved 1,600 hotels secure. And we have seen similarly HanTing, they've done like 5,000 and that Ji Hotel done 4,000. Wondering whether they have any targets for the uppermid-scale in the longer run. Hui Jin: [Interpreted] Benefiting from faster new signings in 2023 and 2024 post COVID as well as further improvements in terms of our supply chain capability, which resulted improvements in conversion ratio from the pipeline to new openings. So we achieved a quite good new openings for the first 9 months, which is slightly more than 2,000. So therefore, for the full year, we could possibly open a bit more than 2,300 hotels as what we guided previously. But again, so we emphasized several times over the last several quarters' earnings call. In terms of the new signings and openings, we will focus more on quality expansion instead only looking for scale. So that the never changed. So we're going to continuously implementing this strategy for high-quality sustainable growth. In terms of the upper-mid segment, as I said, we have reached 1,600 in both pipeline and the operations, which also achieved a pretty rapid growth. But however, if you look into a longer term, for example, 2030, we're going to still focus on the mass market with the economy and the middle scale. So in terms of the proportion, economy and middle scale going to still contribute the majority. But in terms of the growth rate, we hope our upper mid segment could grow the fastest in the industry and become the leading players in China market by 2030. Operator: Our next question comes from Ronald Leung of Bank of America. Ronald Leung: Let me translate my questions in English. So I have two questions. My first question is about cost and margins outlook. The company has achieved very decent margin expansion in the past 2 quarters. Could management share with us the latest outlook on cost control and also margins? My second question is about the membership program. So the overall membership has grown decently to over 300 million by the end of 3Q '25. Could management share an update on the strategy on how to further enhance memberships loyalty and also marketing strategies to improve the conversion rates? Hui Jin: [Interpreted] Okay. So in terms of our members, so definitely, direct sales and membership is one of our core strategy. We are glad to see in terms of the member base as well as the room nights sold to our members continuously to grow. But we think that's still not enough. So that's why we have been doing quite a lot of jobs over the past several months. First of all, we introduced a price guarantee program, which is going to ensure our members to get the best price and service as also the unique experiences at the hotel. And secondly, we're also trying to fulfill more diversified demand from the leisure travelers and some of the emerging demand, for example, as I mentioned earlier, like sports events, like inbound travelers. So basically, the H Rewards membership program is gradually shifting from only business travelers to fulfill more diversified demand. And thirdly, we are also enhancing our capability to receive more business clients and corporate clients to further enhance our exposures. And lastly, we have been experimenting a lot of cross-industry cooperation with a lot of top-tier vertical players trying to enhance members' experiences and improve their engagement. Operator: Our last question comes from... Jihong He: [Foreign Language] Operator: Sorry, please go, continue. Jihong He: [Interpreted] Okay. Let me do the translation. So overall, the adjusted EBITDA margin improvement was mainly because of our asset-light strategy. So obviously, the M&F has higher margin compared to leased and owned. In terms of the cost control, in terms of the hotel operating costs, by leveraging our strong supply chain capability, we continuously to reduce the cost per room night sold. And for our leased and owned hotels, we're continuously seeking for more rental reduction, just trying to improve the profitability level of our leased and owned hotels. And on SG&A perspective, we're continuously optimizing our mid and back office and headquarter, just trying to control the cost. In terms of sales and marketing, we will based on ROI and do some of necessary investments on, for example, the hotel brand membership as well as the user -- new user acquisition. So as mentioned by Jin Hui, so we have been systematically improved our capability to improve our revenue management so as in the cost control side. So we are also doing a systematic capability improvement. Thank you. Operator: Thank you. We have come to the end of the question-and-answer session. That concludes the conference call for today. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines. [Portions of this transcript that are marked [Interpreted] were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Israel Discount Bank Third Quarter 2025 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded, November 17, 2025. If you have not yet done so, please access the presentation on the bank's website, investors.discountbank.co.il. I would like to remind everyone that forward-looking statements for respected company's business, financial condition and results of its operations are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated. Such forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to product demand, pricing, market acceptance, changing economic conditions, risks in product and technology development and the effect of the company's accounting policies as well as certain other risk factors, which are detailed from time to time in the company's filings with the various securities authorities. I would like to move first to Mr. Morris Dorfman, Executive Vice President, Head, Strategic and Finance. Mr. Dorfman, would you like to begin? Morris Dorfman: Yes. Thank you. Thank you all for joining us today. I extend my warm welcome to this investor call. Starting with Slide 2. Discount Group delivered strong Q3 results with net income of ILS 1.13 billion and ROE of 13.7%. Adjusted net income for one-offs amounted to ILS 1.25 billion, representing an ROE of 15.1%. Banking operations in Israel, comprising of Discount Bank and Mercantile recorded ILS 890 million and an ROE of 14.3%. Discount's cost efficiency ratio was 44% in Q3, while the cost-income ratio in the banking activity in Israel was slightly lower at 42.6%. Total credit in the group grew by 3.4%, accompanied by a solid credit quality metrics, while net interest income, NII, remained flat Q-o-Q. In light of these results, the Board decided to pay out 50% of Q3 net income. Moving to Slide 3. Despite 2 challenging years, Discount Bank has consistently shown double-digit ROE of 14% and stable net income. These figures exhibit the strength of bank and the resilience of the Israeli economy. At Slide 4. On the left side, 2025 GDP is now expected to grow by 2.5%. That said, Bank of Israel expects 2026 GDP to rebound notably with GDP growth at 4.7%. On the right-hand side, the job market remained resilient throughout this time, maintaining a healthy unemployment rate of 3.4%. On Slide 5, we summarized our credit portfolio growth and structure. In the third quarter, it's continuing its strong growth across most segments with a 3.4% growth rate quarter-on-quarter and 8.9% year-over-year. The corporate segment continued to show notable strength as credit grew by 5.6% quarter-on-quarter and 17.4% year-over-year. SME credit grew 1.6% and 4.6%, respectively, while household credit grew a healthy 4.3% Q-on-Q and mortgage grew by 2.2% Q-on-Q and 7.8% year-over-year. Operator: Mr. Dorfman, we can hear you. Morris Dorfman: Switching to Slide 6. This slide represents our credit portfolio quality. A stable economic environment is reflected in the consistent NPL ratio of 0.70%. The allowance ratio stands at 1.3% of total credit with a strong coverage ratio of 191%. On the right-hand side, credit loss expenses climbed to 28 basis points in the third quarter. The observed increase in provision is mainly due to 2 isolated corporate incidents made at Mercantile Bank amounting to approximately ILS 50 million. Excluding the Mercantile provisions, collective provisions amounted to almost 90% of all Q3 provisions, reflecting Discount's conservative stance on our credit portfolio. However, a 9-month year-over-year comparison revealed a decline in overall provisions as prior quarters exhibited comparatively lower provision levels. Moving to Slide 7 to discuss revenues. Total revenues increased by 0.9% Q-on-Q, while fee income grew by 2.5% Q-on-Q and 10.9% year-on-year, mainly from fees and commissions from financing activities. Net interest income, NII, slightly decreased by 0.2%, while CPI contribution remained stable. Ongoing pressure on lending and deposit margins is persistently eroding the bank's net interest margin. At the right-hand side, the income from regular financing activities decreased by 1.1% Q-on-Q despite a 3.4% expansion on our loan portfolio. Finance income declined primarily driven by the narrowing of credit and deposit margins. I apologize I had a problem with the line. I will move to Slide 8 to discuss expenses and cost-income ratio. Before we delve into this quarter figures, let's briefly review the bank's journey over the past decade, marked by significant improvement in its efficiency ratio from 67% to 52% post COVID and further reduction to 45 percentage following the divestiture of CAL. While they have come a far away, we think we can still improve our cost efficiency notably in coming years as we mentioned in our strategic plan announced earlier this year. Moving to Slide 9. Total expenses decreased by 3.8% quarter-on-quarter and by 1.2% year-over-year and the cost income improved to 44%. Salary expenses dropped 6% this quarter as we continue to maintain expense discipline. As previously communicated in the last quarter's report, the recently concluded wage agreement is expected to provide enhanced operational flexibility for management. Maintenance and depreciation expenses and other expenses are stable with changes mostly attributed to nonrecurring items. Moving now to Slide 10, you can observe our ample liquidity and diversified deposit base. On the left, you can see that 48% of our deposits are from our retail segment. On the right-hand side, our Tier 1 capital ratio stands at 10.47%, well above the 9.2% Bank of Israel requirements. Our liquidity ratios are well above the regulatory requirements, presenting a solid LCR of 1.7% and NSFR of 11.6%. Moving to Slide 13. I will briefly touch on our main subsidiaries, starting with Mercantile Bank that present a net income of ILS 234 million and ROE of 15.8%. The cost-income ratio stands at 37.5%. Mercantile grew its loan book by 7.6% year-over-year by a well-balanced portfolio. CAL is writing a net loss of ILS 88 million. The loss in the third quarter is attributed to the expenses related to the VAT assessment ruling, totaling ILS 137 million net and an increase in the Santam stock option provision of ILS 75 million after tax impact. As the VAT ruling loss recognized in the consolidated report in the previous quarter, CAL profit contribution amounted to ILS 40 million in this quarter. IDB New York Bank reported a net income of $24 million and ROE of 7%. The bank grew its loan book by 12.9% year-over-year and deposit by 30.9% year-over-year. To summarize my overview on Slide 12, I would like to emphasize the main takeaways from this quarter results. First, we delivered solid results with net income of ILS 1.13 billion and ROE of 13.7%. Second, our cost-income ratio dropped to 44%. Credit continues to grow at a healthy rate of 3.4% quarter-on-quarter and 8.9% year-over-year. Core Tier 1 equity remained stable at 10.5%, which allow further expansion next year, stable asset quality metrics with NPL ratio of 0.7%. The CAL sale is likely to boost our 2026 ROE by 1.2%, while stressing the Tier 1 ratio by 0.6%. And lastly, given our continued strong performance and the confidence we have in ongoing profitability, we announced a dividend payout of 50% of net income, reflecting a gross dividend yield of 5%. With this, I finish and would like to open to Q&A. Operator: [Operator Instructions] The first question is from Priya Rathod of Jefferies. Priya Rathod: I just have 2 questions, please. The first is on AUM, specifically for your small businesses section. There was a notable jump in AUMs quarter-on-quarter. Would you be able to give a bit more color on what is actually driving that AUM number, but then also what's driving the increase in the third quarter? The second question is on mortgages. Again, it was a really solid quarter in terms of growth in volumes, but how should we be looking at that number in the context of the sector data, particularly like the declining of new home sales? So I guess my questions are like what drove the higher mortgage volumes this quarter? And then how should we think about volumes going forward? Morris Dorfman: I didn't get your first question, but I will answer about the mortgages question, and then maybe if you can repeat the first one. So what's happening with mortgage as you understand, the real estate sector in Israel is at the moment, it's not moving too much. But most of the mortgages that have been sold this quarter -- the last quarter are one of the houses that were bought 2 years ago. there's this model in Israel when you pay 20% in advance and 80% just when the house is finished. So most of the people that bought houses about 2, 3 years ago, they took mortgages this year. So what you see now is the movement of money of the houses that we bought a couple of years ago. But I didn't hear your question -- the first question, I didn't understand the question. Priya Rathod: Yes. So the first question was on assets under management, AUM, particularly in the small business segment. There was quite a notable jump in AUMs quarter-on-quarter. I just wanted to ask what was -- what actually drives the AUM number and what drove the increase quarter-on-quarter? Morris Dorfman: Well, it's -- we don't see something special about the small businesses. It's part of our strategy, so we really focus on that. I can't say there's something unique in that. It's just our focus on this sector, if I got your questions right. Operator: The next question is from Chris Reimer of Barclays. Chris Reimer: Sorry if this was asked already, but how do you see dividends going forward in relation to the Bank of Israel announcement on the easing of restrictions for dividends? Morris Dorfman: Sure. So we -- of course, we had a discussion about it in our Board, and our thoughts and our decision is to be consistent in the way we pay dividends. So we thought it's better to keep the same level of dividend and not changing it every quarter. Therefore, we've chosen to pay 50%, and we plan to do it, of course, to keep the same in the future. Chris Reimer: Got it. And regarding expenses, aside from the divestment of CAL, do you see room for cost efficiencies in other areas? Morris Dorfman: Yes, of course, we -- well, as you know, it's part of our strategy to improve our efficiencies. So we're doing it both in bank and there's addition in -- Mercantile also working on that. And we're also examining what can be done together, Discount with Mercantile. And of course, also in IDB New York, there's also -- there's a new management team and they're working on new strategies, which will emphasize efficiency. Operator: [Operator Instructions] There are no further questions at this time. Thank you. This concludes the Israel Discount Bank Third Quarter 2025 Results Conference Call. Thank you for your participation. You may go ahead and disconnect.
Operator: Good morning, and thank you for waiting. Welcome to Rumo's Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Presentation. [Operator Instructions] This presentation is being recorded and simultaneous translation is available by clicking on the interpretation button. [Operator Instructions] Before proceeding, we would like to reiterate that forward-looking statements are based on Rumo's Executive Board's beliefs and assumptions and information currently available to the company. These statements involve risks and uncertainties as they relate to future events and depend on circumstances that may or may not materialize. We recommend that you refer to the disclaimer on the second page of the presentation. Now I will turn the conference over to Mr. Felipe Saraiva, Rumo's Head of Investor Relations, to begin the presentation. Please go ahead, Mr. Saraiva. Felipe Saraiva: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Rumo's Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Let's begin with the highlights on Page 3 of the presentation. We reached a new quarterly record for transported volume, 23.4 billion RTK, up 8% year-over-year. This performance was driven mainly by the Northern operation with the higher volumes in general cargo, especially hardwood pulp, bauxite and fuel. Our cash cost was another positive highlight this quarter. We continue to capture energy efficiency gains, reducing fuel consumption, the main component of our variable cost. In fixed costs and expenses, we recorded a nominal reduction of BRL 36 million, which combined with the volume growth translated into a 12% efficiency gain in our cost per unit. The combination of higher volumes and disciplined cost management allowed us to maintain a stable margin in a more competitive environment. Adjusted EBITDA reached BRL 2.3 billion, an increase of 5% year-over-year. We closed the quarter with BRL 1.5 billion in investments and net leverage of 1.9x. Moving to Page 4. Let's look at market share. Our market share this quarter reflects a more competitive grain logistics environment. We maintained a stable market share in Goiás and in the southern ports, while performance in Mato Grosso and the Port of Santos was lower than last year. On Page 5, I will share more details on the market dynamics in the Santos corridor, which is our core business. As a reminder, rail capacity is shared between Mato Grosso and Goiás working as communicating vessels. Grain exports from those markets increased compared to 2024, a year that was impacted by a crop shortfall in the Midwest of Brazil, but still remained slightly below 2023 levels. We transported 8.5 million tons with alternative corridors absorbing part of the difference versus the year of 2023. In the soybean complex, which includes soybean and meal, the market was stronger than usual this quarter, driven by the carryover volumes not exported in the first half of the year, and we captured that demand efficiently. For corn, despite a record crop in 2025, export volumes from Mato Grosso and Goiás were lower. Our performance reflected this more competitive landscape with some flow distribution across all of the logistic corridors, partially offset by growth in soybean complex, as I have mentioned. As you may see in the lower chart, our railway system remains the main logistics solution serving the Port of Santos. Moving to Page 6, we will review the operational indicators. Both the transit time and dwell time in Santos slightly increased during the quarter because of greater complexity of managing higher volumes in the system. In energy efficiency, we reduced unit fuel consumption by 2% with a solid performance across both the Northern and Southern operations. On Page 7, we will show operational results and volumes. We transported 23.4 billion RTK in the quarter, up 8% year-over-year. The Northern operation accounted for about 3/4 of this growth, mainly supported by higher general cargo volumes, particularly hardwood pulp, bauxite and fuel. In the agriculture portfolio, we transported more volumes of sugar and fertilizers. In the Southern operation, the main highlight was higher corn volumes, which had been impacted last year by crop shortfalls in the South. In general cargo, we continue to pursue new opportunities and optimize asset utilization of that system. Now on Page 8, we present revenues and tariff highlights. Net revenue amounted by BRL 3.8 billion, a 2% increase year-over-year. As we always say, the focus of our pricing strategy is on finding the right balance between volumes and tariffs to maximize the system profitability. This year export dynamics led to a stronger competition among logistic alternatives serving our key markets. In this context, we adjusted our commercial positioning in both operations to ensure competitiveness and attractiveness for the rail transportation. Moving to Page 9, we present the EBITDA. EBITDA grew 4%, reaching BRL 2.3 billion. Our efficiency in managing costs and expenses helped us maintain stable margins despite a more competitive environment. Additionally, we recorded a BRL 55 million in insurance recoveries related to the loss of profits in the Southern operation due to extreme weather events on May last year. On Page 10, we move to financial results and net income. The net financial result was a net expense of BRL 837 million, mainly reflecting higher net debt and interest rates. Despite the higher rates, we delivered adjusted net income of BRL 733 million, broadly in line with the last year figure. On Page 11, let's look at our net debt position. Net debt at the end of the quarter was BRL 14.9 billion, reflecting the quarter's cash generation. We closed the period with a healthy leverage of 1.9x. Our liquidity position remains very solid with BRL 7.2 billion in cash and a well-distributed debt maturity schedule with no major concentrations in the fiscal years of 2026 and 2027. On Page 12, we will present the investments in the quarter. We invested BRL 1.5 billion in the quarter, in line with our plan. Recurring CapEx was BRL 503 million, focused on asset maintenance and operational safety. In the Mato Grosso railway project, we invested BRL 575 million with the cash disbursements following the construction progress. Other expansion projects amounted by BRL 396 million with the focus of increasing capacity and modernizing the existing infrastructure. Now turning to the soybean market on Page 13. The next Brazilian soybean crop is expected to reach the all-time high level of 175 million tons in production. The state of Mato Grosso should account for roughly 51 million tons in production. And as we speak, the seeding is almost completed. Exports from the region are estimated at 32 million tons, pointing to a healthy logistics demand for the next season. On Page 14, I will present the corn market. The Brazilian corn crop is also expected to reach a record high level with an estimated production of 145 million tons in the next season. In Mato Grosso, production is forecasted at 59 million tons, driven by an expansion of roughly 400,000 hectares in planted area. Exports should remain stable around 25 million tons in the state of Mato Grosso. This concludes my presentation. Thank you, and we are glad to start the Q&A session. Operator: Joining us today are Mr. Pedro Palma; Mr. Guilherme Machado; and Mr. Felipe Saraiva. Before we begin the Q&A session, Mr. Pedro Palma would like to say a few words. Please go ahead, Mr. Palma. Pedro Palma: Good morning, everyone. This is Pedro Palma. Thank you for joining us in the earnings release for the third quarter. It's a pleasure to be here with you. Before we start the Q&A session, let me just summarize the quarter and how the company has been doing. Looking at how volumes have progressed, we're very happy to have gone over the 8 billion RTK volume at the company with major stake in the South and North operations making contributions to that increase. In the last few months, the South operation has been over 1.2 billion RTK, going back to very healthy and robust volume levels. And the North operation has been close to 7 billion RTK. That's a testament to our resilience, our ability to overcome challenges in the rail environment, which is becoming much more favorable, much more solid. And we have reached those volumes in the last quarter and the last few months despite a fiercer competition in the market, considering grains volumes, both in the North and South operations. As we said since the beginning of the year because of the carryover inventory of corn from '24 to '25, we also mentioned the delayed in volumes coming in, in terms of soybeans. And over the year, there's been a smoother, more linear export level. At the beginning of the year, we were still testing the market's pricing level to understand how we should position our own pricing levels. As of the second quarter, when it was clear to us what that new price level was going to be, we made the required adjustments to our pricing policy to make sure that we would have the required and suitable volumes to execute on our rail activities. And let me remind you, at very healthy margin levels. Our pricing journey has never been linear. Over the years, it's been through ups and downs. Let me remind you that in '22, '23 and '24, our prices went up by 60% in the grains market. And '25 has been a year of adjustments to pricing levels so that we can find the right level that will give us the right market share, the fair market share to ensure that we're growing and positioning ourselves competitively. So we've been doing that, and our rail operation has been responding accordingly with increasing volumes. Now let's take a look at the other portfolios, fertilizers, pulp, sugar, bauxite, they've all been growing at very consistent volumes, also increasing our system across volumes and margins and ensuring that our revenue is resilient and good diversification across all kinds of cargoes. Obviously, our main market is and will continue to be the grain market. Right now, as you can see in our market share charts shared by Saraiva, the corn market and corn exports from the Port of Santos has been less than historically, what has been putting additional pressure on our commercial structure. But these are circumstantial situations. We've dealt with them in the past, and we'll continue to deal with it by adjusting prices so as to ensure the best margin possible for our system. Obviously, price is a variable that is not under our control, but there are variables that are under control. One, capacity, and we have been proving that we have the capacity to operate as well as cost and fixed expenses discipline. As you can see, in an environment where volumes have been increasing, new operations have been coming and going up and running, we are healthy volume levels and increasing efficiency within the system. That's what a company such as ours has to do. Our improvements in -- our investments in improving assets and improving management has to, in the long run, be translated into structural -- lower structural unit costs so we can have healthy margins even in more volatile pricing situations. In the rail execution line, let me highlight our enhancement in safety, both rail safety and personal safety. In 2025, there's been a reduction in incident frequency, which is very closely related to the quality of management and discipline in execution. This is an ongoing journey. We will consistently continue to decrease frequency both in rail incidents and personal incidents. This is one of our values, and it's something we will continue to focus on increasingly more, but I am absolutely convinced that with our teams, both in the North and South operation, our organizational structure will make it even more robust and bring in even more quality in execution and a working environment that will continue to help us progress in reducing costs, increasing competitiveness and bringing in increasing more volumes to a safe system. And before we move on to the Q&A session, one last comment about our investments. As you've seen in Saraiva's presentation, our CapEx is in line with what we did last year. But more important than absolute figures, I just want to reassure you that we are keeping with our recurring CapEx, and we're doing the absolute necessary to have a robust and efficient operation. And our expansion CapEx is within the plan with the Mato Grosso rail works and requalifying also the Paulista Network and all the works at the Port of Santos to make sure that we are building the foundation for future growth and making sure that we are showing today the results that we will reach in the future. So in addition to CapEx, it all makes me confident that we are in line with our schedule and the figures that we had planned. Specifically for Mato Grosso rail next year, the BR-070 terminal will be going into operation. So this year, we have the first stage of this transformational and relevant project for the company and all the companies that we work with. So those are my opening remarks. And now we'll begin the Q&A session. Myself, Machado and Saraiva are here to take your questions. Thank you. Operator: [Operator Instructions] The first question is from Mr. Alberto Valerio from UBS. Alberto Valerio: The first question is what every investor wants to know. What is the company's pricing level? What can we expect for the next quarter, for next year? What is the competitive environment like? Do you think it's reached a sustainable level or not yet? Will there be further adjustments? And are you maintaining the guidance based on third quarter yields? If we see the same yields in the fourth quarter, things might be a bit challenging in terms of keeping the guidance. That's it for me. Pedro Palma: Thanks for the question. This is Pedro. Looking at the competitive scenario and based on my opening remarks, I think it's fair to say that the pricing scenario, especially considering the corn market will continue to be a bit more acid than we had planned. So looking at the current scenario in the fourth quarter to be objective, it is a bit more acid than it was in the third quarter. That said, I don't think that is material. Looking forward -- and let me touch on 2026. As Saraiva showed, the crop dynamics looks positive, different to 2025, where we went in without carryover inventory. And what we're seeing for 2026 will be a beginning of the year with higher volumes in the system, which should make the logistic pressure easier for next year. So I think the dynamics will be marginally better than we saw in 2025, thinking about the transition into 2026. Having said that, to be very transparent and objective, prices are not directly under our control. But what I do see is for 2026, we are beginning our commercial efforts for that journey at similar levels to what we have seen in the second quarter of 2025. And over time, as the market progresses, we will rebuild our pricing basis with more confidence in future prices and volumes. As for the guidance, obviously, we already have the numbers for the third quarter. There are challenges to execute on the fourth quarter volumes. The name of the game for us to conclude the year within the figures that we announced for the guidance will be totally related to executing on volumes, especially now in December and continuing to control costs and expenses. The challenge I see is that, honestly, there's still some uncertainty with regards to the volumes for exports, given that export volumes in December, sometimes clients prefer to execute them in January only based on international demand. So those volumes will have an impact on our numbers. But that said, we are confident that we will meet the guidance. We'll continue to work tirelessly to do so. I don't know if Gui would like to say anything, please feel free to jump in. Guilherme Lelis Machado: Yes. In terms of what we have been seeing in the fourth quarter, last Monday, we announced that October was an exceptional month for us. After May and August, it was our new record, and we'd have to repeat the same thing because our investments have been translated into absorbing capacity fluctuations in the market. November looks like will be a strong month in terms of volumes. As Pedro said, the uncertainty will be mainly concentrated in December. We imagine there will still be major volumes. If we have a healthy demand environment, especially considering the high product availability we have in land, rail will be ready to capture that demand, especially considering our performance in the third quarter and beginning of the fourth quarter. So our focus will be to continue executing sharply in terms of our operations, which is what has been happening and managing costs and expenses as we have been doing. So having said that, obviously, we should be delivering close to the midpoint of the guidance in terms of volumes. Our CapEx is solid and under control. And in terms of EBITDA, if we have a good risk balance in the fourth quarter, we should be able to meet the guidance close to the mid-low point and our efforts will all be towards executing on that at the end of the year. Operator: The next question is from Mr. [ Matteos Santana ] from Bradesco BBI. Unknown Analyst: Could you talk a bit more about corn? Looking at the figures, especially year-on-year in terms of exports, we see that volumes have been very low so far. So there wasn't a lot of corn transported in October. What do you expect for the fourth quarter? Do you think there will be more volumes? Or should we wait for the beginning of the year, January and February, where you'll be focusing more on corn exports? Pedro Palma: Matteos, this is Pedro. As I said in my previous answer, we do see a corn carryover -- a high carryover inventory for corn. Historically, the corn carryover inventory from 1 year to the next, let's just take a look at an example in Mato Grosso. It's about 5 million tonnes. If we look at a snapshot of today, in fact, if we look at October to November, there was a possibility of a 15 million tonne carryover inventory instead of 5 million. So there's an increase in the carryover inventory this crop year was 10 million tonnes. Now what will be exported additionally in December or what will only be exported at the beginning of next year. That's the question mark in the system. And it depends on international demand, and it also depends on the negotiations between producers and traders. So that's the uncertainty I mentioned and Gui mentioned with regards to December figures. How much of that corn will be available for export. What I can say is that we are fully able to transport whatever volume is available. As we have shown in previous months, we do have the capacity, and we are ready for higher volumes than we have transported in the last few months. So -- we're just waiting to see what those volumes will be. So even if we have higher volumes in December, the beginning of next year, in my opinion, we'll be seeing more corn to be transported than we saw in 2025 because the carryover inventory that we see right now by itself cannot be transported in December alone. Felipe Saraiva: Pedro, this is Felipe. In addition to the corn carryover inventory, soybean planting was early this crop year when compared to other crop year. So we'll have higher corn carryover inventories when we move into next year. So that volume might be transported depending on the international demand for that corn, but we'll also have an early soybean harvest because the soybean was planted earlier. So there should be a higher demand for logistics than we saw at the beginning of 2025 when soybean harvest was later. So biomass in general is looking more favorable in terms of logistics in Mato Grosso specifically. Operator: The next question is from Mr. Pedro Bruno from XP. Pedro Bruno: You mentioned your cost discipline. If I could touch on that, please, to understand, especially looking at SG&A plus fixed costs, the consolidated line. You gave us some numbers that don't really give us a lot of visibility. You talk about other operation costs, which I think is the more positive line in terms of how costs progress. It's maintenance, third-party services, security, facilities and others. There was a significant fluctuation, close to BRL 70 million year-on-year, depending on the window, but it looks like that line was highly efficient. But in general terms on fixed costs and SG&A, if you could give us a bit more color on what kind of initiatives we're talking about and what's been responsible for that efficiency? And if there is a trade-off among those initiatives or if there's something you had already planned on capturing. Guilherme Lelis Machado: Pedro, thanks for joining us, and thanks for the question. Yes. what we've been noticing in terms of reduction. And we started working on that since last year, and it's been translating into positive results this year. Throughout our journey and the company has had major projects and initiatives that have required an expansion of our structure. And we believe we have reached an adequate level. So from now on, we will be optimizing things and operating efficiently, always taking care of the company's operational leverage, which is what we do, maximize volume and decreasing unit costs. But what we have been doing is optimizing our structure our occupation, our capacity use because right now, we're at the right structure level. So we have been optimizing our personnel, simplifying processes and rationalizing company initiatives to prioritize those that create value and add to the company's core business. We have been managing inventory very efficiently and working on losses and compensation so that we can avoid losses. We don't want that to be a detractor to our overall structure. So there isn't one specific thing that's been leading to those gains, but -- there are several initiatives and many things the company has been doing that have helped us converge towards those efficient levels. So that's what we've been doing to optimize our cost and expenses this year. Operator: The next question is from Mr. Rogério Araúj from Bank of America. Rogério Araújo: My question is about your liability negotiation and the renewal of the South and West networks. Could you update us on those processes? What are the next steps? And we had the BRL 55 million loss of profit insurance proceeds. And I think the structure was also damaged due to force majeure because of the rains. Are you negotiating anything to that end in the South network? If you could give us more color on that, that would be very helpful. Guilherme Lelis Machado: This is -- Rogério. Thank you for the questions. I'll start by the end of your question. In terms of compensation for the South network claims, they should come to an end now. We recognize those in the second and third quarter. So that was all we had in terms of compensation. The team worked very closely to the insurance companies, and we were able to resolve those issues very swiftly within the regulation. In terms of other occurrences, we are complying with the regulation. There should be something else happened. We will announce that to the market, but there's nothing material to share at the moment. In terms of the South and West networks, there is no news for this half of the year. In the renewal and end of concession of the South network, let's remember that there was a working group with the company, the ministry and the regulatory agency. Those activities have been concluded. So we're not just waiting for the conclusions to be announced. In the South network, we do have the potential and the company is interested in continuing to operate it in a model that is financially feasible for us. Discussions will be ongoing with the stakeholders, and we'll be looking into different alternatives. And as things progress, we will be informing the market. There's nothing to announce for the time being, but this discussion should be taking place over the next few months. Let me remind you that the South network will be concluded in February 2027. So we still have a ways to go with these stakeholders. As for the West network, we do have an event in the short term, halfway through next year, June 2026. That's when the contract will come to an end. We've made it very clear so far in light of the fact that there has been no volumes transported in that operation. So there's no significant revenues or investments coming from there. So we should be giving that asset back to the government and then we'll assess the reconciliation in the assets and liability balance sheet for that operation. Discussions with the government are amicable. So now we just need to decide on the best design for that negotiation. We will let you know as things progress. Operator: The next question is from Mr. Daniel Gasparete from Itaú BBA. Daniel Gasparete: Touching on what Guilherme said about volume and unit cost. How are you coming to your tariffs for 2026, its competitiveness considering a scenario where things might be slower, given the pressure on the margin. What about the carryover of your tariffs from '25 to '26? I know you have the guidance, but if you could tell us a bit more on that dynamics. And also, how do fluctuations in tariffs affect your perception of CapEx investment projects and the projects for this year? Pedro Palma: Daniel, this is Pedro. Let me take your question. Well, let me start by the end to your point about our investment plans. Obviously, when we look at our CapEx execution and our expansion project, we need to calibrate those based on expectations of profit and the investments that are being made. I think the main point when we look at tariffs and when we look at the future interest rates, if we were to conduct a financial assessment of our investments, looking at our expansion plans, you have to have an expansion of volumes, competitiveness and pricing that you get from that structure. And often, investments can help you stabilize pricing. So pragmatically speaking, our journey in the rail system for both operations, especially in the North operation, pricing has never been linear because -- given any moment, when you go into any year and a specific year, there is an effect of the fluctuation of exports, crop failures. There are one-off circumstantial events that can change the pricing ratio within a semester, a year, a crop. But if we look at how our pricing has progressed over the years, you will see that pricing levels have been normalized and the tendency and our thesis that has been confirmed year over the year is that the world needs agricultural commodities and the best region to produce and export those is Brazil and the best region in Brazil for that starts in the Brazilian Midwest, and we want to be the best logistics company with the best structure with the lowest cost to be the best export solution. So to address a point that might not be exactly what you asked, but to give you more granularity, right now, we're fine-tuning our business plan for Stage 2 of our rail expansion project in Mato Grosso in light of the fact that we're moving towards concluding Stage 1. Next year, we will be delivering the BR-070 terminal as we had announced. So now coming into the new year, we'll be fine-tuning CapEx and what we expect from the next stages for the project in light of what's happening in terms of competition and what we expect looking forward. What I can share with you right now, this is not a decision that has been made because the Executive Board is still looking into things to then discuss it with the Board is that we're very constructive about how demand will grow in our markets and competitiveness and our structural profitability coming from investments that we can make. But obviously, we'll look into things stage by stage. We won't be making any dogmatic investments. Our investments are always based on an in-depth assessment of what the market has to offer in terms of demand, expected profitability and our ability to absorb those results and to seek fair share for our operations. Unknown Executive: Another important point is that throughout this journey and considering the tariff dynamics, we've had a very healthy journey after we went through that repositioning, like Pedro said during his presentation, that's taken place over the last few years. So obviously, in 2025, the level of our tariffs how we've traded our capacity. This is a very healthy level. There's been no value disruption. The company margins are still very solid and very healthy. In terms of investments, just to add to what Pedro said, we need to bear in mind that we are sensitive to the company's cash consumption. So all of our investment plans have to be assessed in light of cash generation. We're not going to put the company under any financial stress that is incompatible or that will take us to levels of debt that don't make sense. Also given that there's a persisting high level of interest rates. So we will be calibrating that as we look into market dynamics and making sure that we preserve the company's health. Daniel Gasparete: That was a very clear answer. If you could just touch on the first part of my question, which was about the carryover from '25 to '26 and maximizing volumes and minimizing unit costs. Do you think the trading cycle will be as slow as it was in '25? Unknown Executive: Yes, there will be a degree of carryover into '26 from '25, as I said in my answer to a different question. If we look at the baseline for '26, we're talking about similar pricing levels to the second half of '25. And carryover inventory volumes, good crops obviously put pressure on the system. But as we have shown in the past, we are totally able to increase prices if market opportunities arise. That's what we did from '22 to '24. We increased prices by more than 60% during that period, just as we repositioned it in the recent past in 2025 to make sure that we were capturing volumes as we have reiterated at very healthy margins, given that our pricing levels are very healthy going from '24 into '25. But to be objective, the baseline for '26 is what we had in the second half of '25. We'll have to wait for the market to operate and pressure levels. And in '26, we should be able to capture price recovery along the year. Operator: The next question is from Ms. Julia Rizzo from Morgan Stanley. Julia Rizzo: Can you hear me okay? I have a question about your tariffs, your competitive yield. I think you mentioned that in your institutional presentation in the third quarter, showing that the tariffs at the Rondonópolis terminal was very close to the market. You said it was the next best alternative and Rumo's nominal yield was 246 and the market was 244. What was that like in the third quarter? I just want to understand where the market is going and if what we're seeing now is a reflex if you have already reached market levels. What got my attention was the drop in tariffs and the loss of share. So my next question is what would be a fair or sustainable share for the company this year? We still have a quarter to go and good volumes to deliver, hopefully, and for next year. Unknown Executive: Julia, Thank you for the question. The company right now is operating considering alternative costs considering the regions we operate in Mato Grosso. Let me remind you that the rail volume captures volumes from across the state. And for each region of the state, alternative costs are different. Looking at the portfolio average, we're very close, slightly below the alternative costs to our clients. So looking at the price reduction we saw in the third quarter this year, there are two elements to it. First, price repositioning in the grains portfolio because we want to bring rail to a competitive level and to make sure that we are positioned as the best logistics solution to our clients and the effect of the mix in our portfolio with lower unit cost than the grains portfolio. So obviously, all of that leads to around 7% decrease in the tariffs this quarter. Now looking forward, we will continue to maintain rail as the best alternative to our clients. And that's the strategy we've been implementing for 2026. And market share is a consequence of that positioning and market dynamics. It's not a goal for the company. What the company is pursuing is to have a competitive tariff so as to make sure that we are using the rail system to full capacity. Now looking at the export market for Mato Grosso, we want to operate at about 40%, depending on the quarter, slightly below or slightly above, maybe close to 45%. That's the range we expect the market share to operate in. But again, to remind you, the market share is a result of exports and the rail operation. If the market is at a normal level, then we imagine that we'll be operating at about 40% in our grain portfolio in Mato Grosso. And as I said in my presentation, rail -- we'll be making sure that rail is the absolute best solution at the Port of Santos. We've been doing that at the Port of Santos and the Mato Grosso operation was just slightly below last year's, but very similar to 2023 when the market -- the export market was more similar to the current market. Julia Rizzo: Could you give me some reference in terms of reals per ton at the Rondonópolis terminal? Just so we have an idea of where the market is at and what the company is executing. Unknown Executive: We were very close, Julia. It's around BRL 230 per tonne in Rondonópolis. Some months, it's slightly above that. Some months, it's slightly below that. It's not linear. But right now, we're operating very close to competitive prices at that terminal. Operator: The next question is from Mr. Filipe Nielsen from Citi. Filipe Ferreira Nielsen: Most of my questions have been answered. If I could just touch on a point that hasn't been addressed yet. All those changes and discussions taking place at Cosan, Rumo's controlling company. There have been changes in the Board, management, new shareholders coming in. What have been the first conversations with the new shareholders and the controlling companies stance? Do you know what the strategy is going to be like and how strategies are thinking and how that fits with how you think, both in terms of pricing strategy and projects? Pedro Palma: Filipe, this is Pedro. Thank you for your question. Well, first point, we think it's very healthy that the controlling company be healthy, the Cosan Group be healthy. So with BTG coming in to Cosan's controlling share with Rubens. Rubens keeping the controlling stake in the structure is welcome news and very healthy for Rumo as well. Obviously, the 2 new shareholders have joined the company because they see value in Cosan Group and its portfolio, and they are bringing additional types of expertise, both BTG based on their historical experience and professionals. Their track record is amazing. And I'm absolutely certain that they will make huge contributions to the progress of the Cosan Group, and Rumo is no exception to that. Conversations have been very transparent. They're very incipient because the conclusion of that transaction, the election of the new members of the Board at Rumo only just happened at the end of last week. But what I can say is that preliminary discussions and conversations have been very positive. So we'll be discussing things together and working together on the next steps so that we have an increasingly better and more robust company. Talking specifically about Rumo, no one has any question about the rail asset in the logistic infrastructure and the role that Rumo can play in the markets it operates in. Everybody wants for this company to continue to grow and be better. So I'm sure Rumo's team, I can speak for myself and the whole team that everyone is very happy with the change in shareholders at the Cosan level. And with this new stage beginning now. Operator: This concludes the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn it over to Mr. Guilherme Machado for his closing remarks. Guilherme Lelis Machado: Well, thank you for joining us. And let me just conclude by saying a few things. I don't want to be repetitive and say the same things Pedro said in his opening presentation and everything we said during the Q&A session. The company has been delivering a very solid operational execution month after month. We have been attracting volumes to our operation after the beginning of the year when we realized and were able to swiftly adjust our commercial dynamics to recover the fair share and market share. This has been a very healthy and positive dynamics in our operation. And our projects will continue in line with what we've got planned for the year and delivering on the relevant projects for the company, such as the first stage of the Mato Grosso rail and all the other commitments to do with modernizing, creating capacity at the company, both at the Paulista Network and any other fronts we work on. Safety and operating efficiency are not only our priorities, but almost an obsession. And they have been translated into practical results. You've been able to see both in terms of incident frequency rate, as Pedro said, as well as capturing efficiencies, especially energy efficiencies as we have been sharing with you through our figures. The company's financial position is very solid, especially considering the high interest rates. We've been able to issue and restructure our debt very creatively, very efficiently. So our maturities are well balanced. The cost of capital is also very healthy. So having said all that, our focus for the end of the year will be on delivering results, and we have been making adjustments according to what the market presents us with. We're highly focused on delivering on our commitments. And we are aware that there will be higher risks in the fourth quarter. But in financial and operational terms, we know that the company is pretty ready to absorb those, but we are already looking into 2026, and we're paving the way towards positive execution, delivering value to the company and our shareholders. That is Rumo's objective, and that is how we have been facing challenges. We are fully dedicated to making sure that in 2025, we deliver a solid year. Thank you all for joining us, and we'll see you at the next earnings release call. Thank you. Operator: Rumo's Third Quarter 2025 conference call is now concluded. Thank you for joining us, and have a great day. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]